20110925_Haystacks circular walk from Buttermere

20110925_Haystacks circular walk from Buttermere

20110925-13_Grasmoor Range + High Snockrigg from Dubs Bottom Area by gary.haddenWhen : 25th September 2011

Who : Me and my sister Janet

Where : Gatesgarth, Buttermere, Lake District, Cumbria, England

Distance : Approx 7.9 km (4.9 miles)

Heights climbed : Approx 541m (1776 ft)

Car Parking : Car park near Gatesgarth Farm at the foot of Honister Pass and near the head of Buttermere Lake.

Summary : The last of three circular walks in the superb English Lake District, Starting at Gatesgarth in the Buttermere valley and taking in Warnscale Bottom, rising to the area of Dubs Bottom, then rising up onto Haystacks via Blackbeck and Innominate Tarns, and the descent via Scarth Gap back to the car-park and then the drive home.

20110925_Haystacks Circular Walk via Warnscale Bottom from Gatesgarth near Buttermere

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We’d awoken, packed up, had breakfast, readied our rucksacks & walking boots and loaded the car boot and in amongst all that made some sandwiches and drinks for the day. We had discussed the walk we were going to do the night before which was to be a relatively easy 5 or 6 miler and relatively low elevation. The highest point was to be on Haystacks – We’d ruled out doing Fleetwith Pike as well, due to the extra heights and distance and we had the drive down the M6 to think about during the afternoon. So, we made the decision for the above reasons and because Janet had never been on Haystacks before – and – as an equally good reason, I like the mini-mountain, having crossed this attractive fell on several occasions before.

We set off in the car, from Borrowdale Youth Hostel, for the drive over Honister Pass, which is a fantastic drive. The east side is a steep climb needing low gears at the best of times, but our climb was made considerably harder by getting mixed up in some kind of cycle time trial race; there were slow moving cyclists (some walking and pushing their bikes up the hill and some weaving back and forth Honister pass by Stephen Bowdenacross the road) which we had to negotiate past, as well as avoiding vehicles coming down in the opposite direction – Not the easiest of drives! Once over the pass at Honister Slate Mines (there’s a youth hostel here as well) we had the long drop down the western side of the pass in the Buttermere valley. To my mind this is the most spectacular side of the pass, the road bounded by the steep slopes of Fleetwith Pike to the south and the Dale Head range to the north. This is not a drive to be hurried if you really want to a) be safe and b) appreciate the scenery. The funny thing was, some of the cyclists were coming down faster than we were in the car – absolute madness – so I slowed considerably a few times to allow some of these mad-men and women to come flying by us.

Towards the bottom of the pass, as the gradient eases, is a farm at Gatesgarth and there is a reasonably sized car-park (charge applies) which we pulled into. Being early in the morning, we had almost a pick of where to park, although I’ve seen this chock-a-block and overflowing at busy times. A good number of the cyclists flew past at a great rate of knots as we donned walking boots etc. and we were soon walking back up the road in the direction we’d come from taking care to avoid more cyclists 20080619-10r_Memorial cross-Fleetwith Pike by gary.haddenas we passed some cottages on our right. As we cleared the buildings, just a few yards further on, we branched right onto the low fell side. In effect, the walk felt like it started here.

There are two paths that start here, one heads more to the left heading up to the famous small white memorial cross on the lower slopes of Fleetwith Pike, before rising up to Low Raven Crag and then the climb up Fleetwith Edge to the summit of Fleetwith Pike (see my diary from back in 2008). This wasn’t for us though as we needed the path (a bridle path by designation) slightly more to the right and soon heading just about due south. This is as easy a start to a Lake District walk you could ever hope for, 20110925-01_Path into Warnscale Bottom + Haystacks Behind by gary.haddenwith a wide firm track, almost dead level and dry underfoot (amazing given the rain from the day before). That’s not to say the scenery was anything other than fantastic; we were heading directly towards the rugged northern flanks Haystacks and off to the right a view down the Buttermere Valley. The track swings around to the left in a long curve and slowly but surely brings you into the bowl of Warnscale 20110925-02_Path in Warnscale Bottom (looking towards Buttermere) by gary.haddenBottom with steep rugged fell sides encroaching on both sides and directly ahead. In the bottom of the bowl we had a choice, a) continue on the bridle track to the left, rising up the flanks below Fleetwith Pike, or b) take a footpath to cross a stream and then rise up the right hand side of the bowl beneath the buttresses of Haystacks.

We decided on the smaller path, branching off to the right, and soon crossed the boulder strewn stream via a footbridge and soon after this crossed another 20110925-04_River Ford - Warnscale Bottom by gary.haddensmaller stream this time without the aid of a bridge. This was done without much difficulty and we then started up the fell side at times quite close to cascades tumbling down the hill side. The path was visible on the ground and easy enough to follow (apart from a couple of times where it became a little indistinct) but much less pronounced than the bridle way we could see across the ravine being cut by the fast flowing waterfalls.

20110925-05_Warnscale Beck Waterfalls by gary.haddenIt was as we climbed this path that we met a couple of fellow hikers, one of whom was lagging quite a way behind his colleague. It turns out he’d taking a fall the day before and hurt himself quite considerably. Being well equipped for an overnight on the fells, they’d taken the decision not to descend off the mountain in failing light the evening before, instead hunkering down for the night in a small bothy in amongst some mine workings a way above us. 20110925-07_Waterfall + Crags above Warnscale - Dubs Bottom Area by gary.haddenThe injured chap was walking OK – just very slowly, and after we’d parted company we kept looking behind (and below) us to see their progress. Even as complete strangers we were happy to see them reach the main track in Warnscale Bottom and then disappear from view as they headed off towards Gatesgarth.

20110925-08_Old Quarry Hut Bothy_Above Warnscale Bottom by gary.haddenAfter a couple of big zig-zags of the path we reached the very bothy the two guys had over-nighted in. I couldn’t say in all honesty that it looked particularly salubrious but it would certainly keep the worst of the weather at bay – and I guess could be relatively cosy with a fire in the hearth. Outside, the view over Buttermere and Crummock Water was absolutely stunning.

20110925-11_Old Quarry Hut Bothy_Above Warnscale Bottom by gary.hadden

20110925-12_Old Quarry Hut Bothy_Above Warnscale Bottom by gary.haddenOnce we’d spent some time here, we picked up a route (one of several potential options here) to climb steeply up through the old quarry workings intermingled with the fell side crags to emerge onto a more pronounced path skirting round 20110925-15_Buttermere + Crummock Water from nr Blackbeck Tarn by gary.haddenthe edge of a broad hummocky area called Dubs Bottom.  It’s kind of difficult to describe what this area is like really, it’s a sort of a wide saddle or col between the flanks of Fleetwith Pike and  Haystacks, but it’s also a bit like a bowl as slopes rise up towards Grey Knotts and Brandreth about a mile away. Upon joining the path we turned right to skirt around the back of Green Crag with occasional views down Buttermere on our right and higher cloud topped fells to our left viewed over Blackbeck Tarn.

20110925-14_Blackbeck Tarn by gary.haddenOnce over the outflow stream from Blackbeck Tarn (predictably called Black Beck) our route then climbed through crags on a distinct path towards Haystacks. We were now seeing quite a few more people (heading in both directions) testament to the popularity of Haystacks amongst the walking fraternity and we soon reached the enigmatic Innominate Tarn.

20110925-19_Innominate Tarn on Haystacks by gary.haddenI say this small, fairly ordinary, attractively positioned pool of water is enigmatic for good reason. A dictionary definition states enigmatic as meaning “a thing that is mysterious, puzzling, or ambiguous” and Innominate means “having no name” … so as soon as the tarn with no name was named “Innominate Tarn”, it then did indeed have a name which is then ambiguous as it either can either have a name or not have a name and so by default becomes enigmatic. This is further enhanced by the famous love of this place by the inimitable Alfred (A.W.) Wainwright MBE.

20110925-16_Toy Boat in small tarn on Haystacks by gary.haddenIt was time for a bit of a refreshment stop, so rather than sit by the side of the path, we thought we’d explore around the tarn to find a sheltered spot out of the now rather stiff (and quite cool) breeze – Actually it was really quite windy! As we climbed over a low hummocky crag above the tarn we came upon a smaller pool with something floating back 20110925-17_Toy Boat in small tarn on Haystacks by gary.haddenand forth in the middle but never reaching the banks. As we got closer this turned out to be a toy sized boat and really quite elegantly made – A very odd thing to discover on a high fell and I’d love to hear the story behind it. The top of the hummock afforded a decent view over Innominate Tarn and its line of islands and we soon found what looked and felt like a sheltered hollow looking out over the water.

As soon as we’d sat down the wind picked up again swirling around the hollow, which wasn’t a problem until we started to pack up. Janet was the first to get up and her sit-mat promptly took-off, did a quick twirl and headed off over the crag. I stood up to chase after it, where immediately my map-case (with map!) also promptly took off. The map being most important was grabbed but by this time the sit-mat had disappeared. The whole laughable episode had lasted probably no more than a minute; we found it funny anyway, as did a group of four blokes across the way on the main path who’d seen most of our chasing around. As it happened, from the top of a small crag, I could see the sit-mat floating about in 20110925-20_Innominate Tarn with Green Gable + Great Gable Behind by gary.haddenthe tarn trapped by some pond vegetation. I clambered down and as I got to the water’s edge a gust of wind scooted it across the surface straight to me – So, “all’s well that ends well” to badly quote Shakespeare.

After the interlude, we set off on the very distinct main path climbing towards the summit (or really summits) of Haystacks, stopping only to take some photos and the occasional chat with passing hikers. We kept on a fairly low path for most of the rise, ignoring alternative routes that climb up and down the craggy tops of the fell. After a while we branched right to climb to one of the tops with a rough cairn perched on top – 20110925-22_At one of Haystacks Summit Cairns by gary.haddenI’m not 100% sure this was the absolute highest, but for all intents and purposes we’d reached the summit of Haystacks. The views all around are superb from here but unfortunately many of the mountain tops were shrouded in cloud and it was difficult to stand and appreciate what we could see by the buffeting wind trying to blow us off our feet. We chose to drop down a little to the south to get out of the wind rather than the direct route off the fell side. The path we picked up swung around the fell side, dropping quite quickly on a fairly easy path. Eventually we picked up a boundary fence which rose up slightly to meet the rockier and more exposed paths we’d ignored earlier. We were now at a cross roads of footpaths, at the top of the Scarth Gap Pass, giving four options of travel, as it happens more or less in the directions of the main points of the compass :-

  • East – Back up onto Haystacks.
  • South – Dropping down into the upper reaches of Ennerdale (towards Blacksail Youth Hostel in this fantastic setting).
  • West – Climbing onto Seat and up and beyond to the High Crag – High Stile – Red Pike Range.
  • North – Descending into the Buttermere Valley.

20110925-24_Fleetwith Pike + Warnscale Bottom by gary.haddenOur route was to take the north option, the descent starting quite rocky but later becoming much narrower and easier under foot as the route heads diagonally 20110925-25_Gatesgarth from Scarth Gap Path by gary.haddendown and across Buttermere Fell following the line of a wall. As with the rest of the walk, the views are superb here, including off to the right to Fleetwith Edge, into Warnscale Bottom and up to Dubs Bottom and round to Haystacks’ Buttresses. The views north across the valley (towards the Dale Head Range) showed the final path across the flat pastures at the head of Buttermere Lake to Gatesgarth Farm and the car park.

20110925-23_Buttermere from Scarth Gap Path by gary.haddenWe finished the final part of the descent chatting to a lone walker who was heading back to the same car park where we were parked up. Once we’d negotiated around a small landslip that had destroyed part of the path we reached the valley bottom and a broad path. Turning left would take you round Buttermere’s south shore (a lovely walk in itself), but our route was to take the flat farm track, mentioned earlier, across to Gatesgarth Farm, crossing the almost 20110925-26_Warnscale Beck + Haystacks Mountain by gary.haddendead straight Warnscale Beck via a bridge. This is a very easy end to a super-duper walk.

I hope you enjoyed my scribblings and pic’s …. If you’d like to comment on my diary or any of my pic’s please feel very welcome.

T.T.F.N. Gary

20110923-25_Lake District Long Weekend – An Overview

20110923-25_Lake District Long Weekend – An Overview

When : 23rd to 25th September 2011

20110924-29_Me at Stockley Bridge by gary.haddenWho : Me and my sister Janet

Where : Based in Borrowdale, Lake District, Cumbria, England

Total week-end walks distance : Approx 34 km (21 miles)

Total significant heights climbed : Approx 2,300 m (7,560 ft)

Summary : Our annual trip to the superb English Lakes, simply, to walk up some mountains.

Click on a pic’ and it should launch as a larger image on my flickr photostream … or, go to my flickr photo’s to see them all in one go.

Robinson walk on Flickr + Scafell Walk on Flickr + Haystacks walk on Flickr

The week-end trip had been planned for some time, with a room booked at Borrowdale Youth Hostel at Longthwaite + Rosthwaite, in the lovely upper reaches of the Borrowdale Valley south of Keswick and Derwentwater. This would be the 4th year on-the-trot we’d organised a Lake District trip and the second time in as many years we’d based ourselves in the Borrowdale area.

The plan was, hopefully, to use one of the days to climb Scafell Pike, the highest place in England and because we had several hours of driving on both the Friday and Sunday, this only realistically left Saturday to attempt the walk. We just hoped the weather would be kind to us … especially as we were staying in the wettest place in England!

20110924-06_At top of Scafell Pike - Wonderful View (sarcastically said) by gary.haddenThe other two days of walking would be organised sort of in an on-the-hoof / ad-hock basis, depending on the weather and ;

  • on the Friday on how long it would take to drive up from The Midlands, and
  • on the Sunday on how fit we felt after the first two days of walking.

20110923_Robinson + Hindscarth Circular Walk from Little Town - Newlands ValleyThe other snippet of back-ground that adds a certain meaning to the week-end, is that I’ve put-up with a pair of dodgy knees for many years and which, in recent years, had started to play-up more and were certainly taking longer to recover after any harder walks. Well, after about a year of seeing GPs; Having physio’; X-rays and MRI scans I had eventually gotten to see an orthopedic consultant surgeon on the day before we traveled :- His advice was to Stop Walking; Not do anything that will keep knees flexing (like Cycling and Gym work); take up swimming, but not breast stroke …. and so effectively become sedentary! Although he didn’t actually say that last word. To say this was depressing would be an understatement!

201108I know I have never been the best sportsman in the world, or the strongest mountain climber, but I enjoy physical activity. Over the years I’ve done Basketball, Race Walking (where all my knee problems began), Cricket (bowler rather than batsman), Tennis and of course Hill Walking.  Of all the things I’ve done or tried, it’s the Hill Walking that’s become a passion! It’s the one thing that keeps my well-being well. No, it’s more than that, it’s what keeps me, me … I just love getting out into the countryside and if I don’t get out there at least every now and then, then I suffer. So the consultant’s words were almost like a shot to the heart! All I wanted to do was cry!
20110925_Haystacks Circular Walk via Warnscale Bottom from Gatesgarth near ButtermereSo, this week-end felt that it could be the last time of getting out into the mountains that I love, or anywhere else for that matter. Probably overly pessimistic, but the consultant was unnervingly stringent in saying the walking had to stop, but what he did do was refer me on for surgery to clean up all the torn cartilage in my knees and any other work that might help improve things. I resolved therefore to make the very most of the week-end and get in some good mountain tops, including Skafell Pike as I’d never been to the very top of England before!

And there you have it …. that’s the back-ground over-view to this long week-end.

Oh, and the way the week-end panned out as 3x really good walks =

20110923-23_Scope End to Newlands Valley + Cat Bells etc by gary.hadden

20110924-14_Surface Water - Corridor Route by gary.hadden

20110925-11_Old Quarry Hut Bothy_Above Warnscale Bottom by gary.hadden

Individual walks diaries now added … hope you enjoy.

…. If you’d like to comment on my diary or any of my pic’s please feel welcome.

T.T.F.N. Gary.

PS. I’ve now had the key hole surgery on both knees (last week-early Dec 2011) and currently hobbling about the house with two elasticized tube-y-grip bandages trying to squash the residual fluid out of the joints. A ¾ of a mile stroll on the flat from the local village of Bilton to home seemed a huge success on Friday evening!

20080619_Fleetwith Pike and Haystacks Walk- videos

My first 3 posts onto youtube …. hopefully you’ll be able to open and play them OK.

Vid-1= http://www.youtube.com/v/fb3i0-XVYxM

Vid-2 = http://www.youtube.com/v/jknS6J2x5ZA

Vid-3 = http://www.youtube.com/v/CEKjwxCWIIg

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Vid-1 … This video link above is a 360 degree panorama from the summit of Fleetwith Pike. It starts off looking down Buttermere with Crummock Water and Mellbreak disappearing in the distant haze. The view pans round anti-clockwise taking in the High Stile ridge (tops in cloud !), around to Haystacks and Warnscale Bottom. The high fells of the Pillar Massive, Kirk Fell, The Gables, et-al, are shrouded in cloud. The lump consisting of Brandreth and Grey Knotts is just about clear of cloud. Further round on the other side of Honister pass, Dale Head is mostly visible as is Hindscarth Edge and Hindscarth itself, but Robinson disappears from sight before we return to the classic view down Buttermere.

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Vid-2 … This video link is a 360 degree panorama from the summit area of Haystacks [or Hay Stacks if you prefer]. I made a bit of a commentary but the wind noise, pretty much obliterates my speach at times.

Also, the cloud cover is quite low and the commentary by default is pretty generalised in the direction of features as there was a degree of guesswork about where one fell ended and another started especially around Kirk Fell and the Black Sail Pass area.

One thing’s for sure this little group of vids certainly shows the Lake District as it really is … sorry not much blue sky and sharp edged mountain tops on display I’m afraid.

The vid starts looking down Buttermere and Crummock Water and pans round clockwise. The main points to listen out for/see on the way round are :- Grasmoor in cloud ; The Robinson, Hindscarth, Dale Head Ridge in a bit of sun ; The dark mass of Fleetwith Edge rising to Fleetwith Pike ; The Dubs Quarry area with the Waterfalls into Warnscale Bottom ; Grey Knotts and Brandreth are visible with a glimpse of Innominate Tarn on Haystacks itself closer to us ; Green Gable and Great Gable are covered in low cloud as is Kirk Fell and the Pillar massive. One of the summit tops of Haystacks is seen before the eastern end of the High Crag / High Stile range comes into shot ; finally panning back round to the view down to Buttermere again.

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Vid-3 … The above video link is a 360 degree panorama from the descent of the Scarth Gap Path as it crosses Buttermere Fell. The commentary is a little better on this vid, as I was more sheltered from the wind. A good proportion of the walk (certainly nearly all of the higher stuff) is encompassed in the video and the weather is begining to improve where you can actually see some blue sky, a rarity I hadn’t enjoyed much of during the day.

The vid takes in Buttermere ; The Robinson, Hindscarth, Dale Head Ridge ; Fleetwith Edge and Fleetwith Pike ; Warnscale Bottom ; Haystacks ; Scarth Gap ; Buttermere Lake agin and The Grasmoor massive.

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If you’d like to go to my diary page of the full walk please navigate via the Lake District Category, or hopefully the following link will take you straight there.

https://tothehills.wordpress.com/2008/09/15/20080619_fleetwith-pike-haystacks/

Yet more photo’s posted

If you’re interested, I’ve added some more pickies : there are now photo’s attached to the following walks diaries :-

  • 20080618_Mellbreak from Buttermere Village
  • 20080619_Fleetwith Pike – Haystacks (just a few towards the end at the moment … more to follow)
  • 20080620_Great Gable
  • 20080621_Castle Crag – Borrowdale
  • 20080813_SWCP_St.Keverne to Gwendreath
  • 20080920_Short walk to the Ricoh

Hope they add to the interest.

Gary